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comments on Group 7&8
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[ karen 周佳潔 : 2003/1/17 下午 03:10:04] |
| Members of groups 1 and 2 please respond to the questions posted by your classmates. Kavin mentioned that he has two questions, but I’m not sure what his questions are. Kavin, can you ask your questions specifically again? Also, Christina Chung asked a question about objective scoring (writing) and the correctness score. Actually, the correctness score is exactly what we can do in objective scoring. It’s the precise way of doing objective scoring. That’s why we mentioned in class that it seems to overlook the content of writing. | |
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comments on group 7,8
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[ Jennifer 陳 : 2003/1/15 下午 07:54:22] |
| Ithink the presentation of froup 7 is good. Sandra has given as much bagroud information as she can about TOFEL, and thus I know more about this exam. Other members also try their best to prsent their materials, well! And for group 8, they have the same topic with us. They also work on " Reading Assessment." I think they try to avoid the similarity of us and also cover enough materials in thier presettaions. very well!!^_^ | |
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comments to the last two group
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[ Peggy 張佩琪 : 2003/1/15 上午 12:31:00] |
| Generally speaking, I think both of them are good at the materials they collect. Well,nothing more... Have a good winter vacation! | |
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Comments on the presentation
of Group 8 by Erin Su
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[ erin 蘇嘉琪 : 2003/1/13 下午 07:43:52] |
| Group 8 really do a good job on reviewing what we have covered in this course. That means they have good connections with schemata. Also, it is good for them to have handouts for the class. In their presentation, a lot of reading principles are contained. However, I would like to say that it would be better if they include more about test evaluation or more ways to assess reading. I also think that their contents are too complicated. It seems to be too much things to be introduced. In this way, the audience would be confused. They said that cultural knowledge is essential for reading. Exactly, this would be one of the important elements that would affect the results of reading tests. For example, there would be lots of articles contained in TOEFL test, if the test-takers do not have enough background knowledge about American culture, it would be a little bit hard for the test-takers to get ideal score. In a brief, the presentation of group 8 is good at showing lots of materials and principles. | |
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Comments on the presentation
of Group 7 by Erin Su
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[ erin 蘇嘉琪 : 2003/1/13 下午 07:25:36] |
| It is good for group 7 to have TOEFL and GEPT as examples of proficiency test. We all know that these two are the most authentic English proficiency tests in Taiwan. They have very detailed introduction for TOEFL test, especially the Q&A. This part makes the audience know more clearly about the requirements of TOEFL test. However, I would like to suggest them to cull important ones instead of reading of all them one by one because this might take a long time. Also, the part of TOEFL hints, I really do not understand why they want to include this part. It seems to be not so related to the topic. As for the part of GEPT, it is good and to show the different ways of scoring and explain the rationale of design very clearly. The group has raised three features of GEPT, and I totally agree with that. The questions of examination are from daily life, and GEPT is localized, and viewed as an alternative of TOEFL. So, this is why I think it is appropriate to pick up these two to be the models of proficiency test. Finally, I really like the presentation of group 7, but I have a suggestion for you. It would be much better if you introduce TOEFL test like the way of showing GEPT. | |
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Comments on the presentations
of group 7 and 8
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[ Jenny Jenny Chiang : 2003/1/12 下午 11:29:03] |
| This is Jenny from group 3 and I'm supposed to give comments to group 5 and 6. However, I was sick on the day of the presentations of group 5 and 6. Thus, I'm here to say something about the performances of group 7 and 8 instead. As Daivd says that time control is very important and I agree that the two groups did a good job in this way. As for group 7, I think maybe they can just pick up some important questions about TOEFL rather than spending so much time reading many of them. They could pick up some typical questions and focus more on the assessment, not introducing the test. I think it is good that group 8 gave us a handout. That made us easier to follow their presentation and understand their content more. However, they could make good use of the handout and made the handout more related to their presentation. Anyway, the two groups did a good job! | |
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Presentation on group 7 and
8
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[ 西班牙之子 David Chou : 2003/1/11 下午 12:20:18] |
| Group 7 was good at time control. Good time control is very important in making presentations and saving audience's time. One area for improvement is the content. As to the FAQ about TOEFL TEST, I wonder if this section has strong relevance to your test evaluation. Be relevant and to-the-point are both essential components. For group 8, it was good to give a thorough instructions on what schema theory is. The information is complete and substantial. However, you kind of failed to fully apply your schema theory to the reading texts you chose, cloze test and multiple-choice items. Reading variables should correlate the given samples. David. | |
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Thanks from group 8
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[ Kevin Chiang 蔣燿煒 : 2003/1/10 下午 10:11:05] |
| Hello,everyone First of all, We want to say thanks to the classmates who did a good evaluation on our presentation. We will try to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. For others who have not make evaluation, I am still waiting for your suggestion. Anything, It is going to be the end of this semester. Of course, the end of this course, too. It is better to work harder than usual to pass all courses. Personally, I think the temperature recently is quite appropriate to study, since it is so cold that we can keep in sober. Wish everyone a good luck, finally. Sincerely, Kevin's voice from group 8 | |
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Commends on Group 7&8
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[ 小P 戴薇珍 : 2003/1/10 上午 12:11:47] |
| This is Jessica Dai. To group 7 & 8, I have to congratulate their presentations. They did quite well. For group 7, when Sandra analyzed the TOEFL test, she provided some Q&A to answer the confusion people had. (I think it is helpful to get a clear understanding about the test.) However, I want to ask why they use both TOELF and GEPT test to analyze the proficiency test. This makes me a little confused. If they can focus on "one" test, it would be better. (This is only my suggestion.) For group 8, there are both strengths and wekness about the presentation. They provided many specific principles of the reading assessment. However, I didn't see them analyze any "existing test." I would like to know where their focus is. It would be better if they could apply the principles on a test and analyze. Thus I can see the example that how this principles are applyed. Still they are good at giving enough materials. Finally, we finish all the presentations. It's going to be the end of semester. Hopefully everyone can all pass! ^^" | |
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questions about self-assessment
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[ dark james james : 2003/1/9 下午 11:41:20] |
| after checking the 課程單元1, i do know something about this assignment but i still have some questions at the same time. it seems that there is not an absolute format or some rules of making this self-assessment plan, right? so i guess this assignment is really flexible in terms of its length, content, and forms. and we can either follow the textbooks or not, am i right? | |
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The Self Assessment
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[ crys 彭議萱 : 2003/1/9 下午 04:55:43] |
| Thanks God! There is not any more quizs. But I am still so confused with the self assessment. If there is a form of it? Or I can just raise a few questions, and then answer them in the following part. Dear Agnes. Could you explain it more clearly? | |
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Comments on Group 5 & 6
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[ crys 彭議萱 : 2003/1/9 下午 04:49:27] |
| Hmm...finally Crystal is here. After preparing the presentation, I really understand the difficulty to make it. So I want to admire those two groups firstly. Compared with group 5,the presentation of group 6 was more intersting and easily to follow. Group 6 used easier word to present the main idea, and it was great to make the powerpoint more colorful to attrct the listeners. However, it is a pity they did not control time very well. Hence they could not have enough time to present those intersting samples. And I like the way that group 5 always gave listeners enough time to think about the sample questions before their explaination. That I just knew what's going on during the presentation. | |
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Group 7/8
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[ Christine Chen 陳儀 : 2003/1/9 上午 06:36:01] |
| Both groups have a lot of information on the topic. Group 8 should have suggested more ways to evaluate reading. Also, there is also a difference between reading as in reading out loud or speed reading, and reading as in understanding the content and the meaning. Maybe they can elaborate more on this part and specify which method(s) should be used to which kind. As far as I know, there are many other ways to evaluate reading. | |
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Powerpoint Tips Links
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[ Christine Chen 陳儀 : 2003/1/9 上午 06:24:48] |
內容:I have found two sites quite useful. They both offer good presentation and powerpoint tips. Since the content is very long, I will just leave their ULRs here. http://wiscinfo.doit.wisc.edu/ltde/ORFI/ces/presentations.htm http://www.denniskennedy.com/pptips.htm |
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| [ 袁韻璧 袁韻璧 : 2003/1/8 上午 09:31:14] | |
| Yes, Christine, please post the tips for making presentation here. They'll be very useful for your classmates, I think. YP Yuan | |
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Group 5&6
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[ Christine Chen 陳儀 : 2003/1/3 上午 05:52:17] |
| I liked both of the presentations BUT again, it will be better to use less animations as they were very distracting. I have a list of the things that should be avoided when having a multimedia presentation. Should I just post it here? | |
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Topical Discussion Board
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[ Christine Chen 陳儀 : 2003/1/3 上午 05:49:37] |
| Is it possible to have a topical discussion board instead of using this one? Using a topical discussion board we can actually have separated stream/room/space for each topic or each presentation. In that way, we can leave comments in the particular rooms knowing that all the comments are related. I think it is neater and more user friendly. Now with this message board, all the messages are scattered everywhere. If someone responds to one message, we actually have to scroll all the way down to find the original message. This is just a suggestion. ^_^ | |
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Comments on Group 5&6
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[ Irena 李旻靜 : 2002/12/29 下午 11:06:23] |
| I'm so glad that I finally get in! I enjoyed the presentation that day done by group five and group six. Both of them should have worked really hard to prepare everything just as all of us did. I felt a little bit lost sometimes when I'm listening to group 5's presentation. Maybe it's because they use longer sentences and more difficult terms to explain. As for group 6, I like their colorful and creative powerpoint. I followed their steps clearly and learned more about the test of vocabulary through the examples they gave. It's a pity that they didn't have enough time to finish everything they prepared to say. But they did a great job helping me with the review of some technical terms in Language assessment.^^ | |
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Reflection of the course...
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[ teresa 史玉芬 : 2002/12/27 上午 10:53:05] |
| This is Teresa, firstly i think this course let me learn more about the methods of assessment, for example the category of different kinds of tests. Secondly, the presention part is also a very good relfection of what we learnt from the course. Thirdly, the final project is the most imazing part that we put our thoughts into practice and try to design our own langaue assessment project. I learnt to evaluate how much do students learn in many different aspects that is very helpful for me to learn to be a good teacher. Most of all, i want to thank my group memeber, Christina, James, Marc, and Wendy ...You Are The Best.... Thanx.... | |
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Reflection on presentation
of group 5 and 6
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[ Ann 王譓硯 : 2002/12/27 上午 01:06:18] |
| For the presentation of group 5, I especially liked what Jessica did: she led us read the questions she prepared first; after we audiences had“digested” the questions, she finally pointed out the strengths and weakness. This gave audiences a sense of involvement or if you just read through the questions without leaving time to the audiences, you lost their attentions and interests. Besides, the eyes of the audience are as important as ears. To provide good and clear visual information is essential. As for group 6, the games on websites attracted me most. They reminded me of my experiences in learning French. Language learners nowadays are really lucky to have so many alternative ways than formulized text books to make learning fun! | |
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presentations of group 5 and
6
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[ sun 陳嘉珮 : 2002/12/23 上午 11:27:53] |
| From both performances of group 5 and group 6, we can see that they indeed spent a lot of time in preparing their presentation. They certainly did very good jobs. About group 5, they did very well about using what we have learned in class to present their topic. They provide us many ways to assess reading and did a good critic on JCEE tests. About group6, I think they also present many ways to assess vocabularies and introduce some interesting websites for us. Their power point is very cute and gives some fun in the performance although it seems that the dancing girl kind of distract my attention. Both groups did very well. ----Stacey | |
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STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH ANY
OTHER QUIZ!
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[ dark james james : 2002/12/23 上午 01:43:34] |
| i have no intention of taking any other quiz actually. and i don't want to write a self assessment stuff either if we can just let go all the test stuff. however, if we really, truly, virtually need to have another make-up chance for those who didn't do well in the first quiz, i think writing a self assessment stuff is my bottom line. but i do hope we can do nothing more near the end of this semester for we already have a "big" project to give birth. peace. | |
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no quize no quize!!
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[ mandy_groovy 羅敏 : 2002/12/21 下午 01:33:46] |
| I seriously do not want to take another quize in the end of the semester.I do not want to go through it again, even the make up quize can help me have a better grade. However, I think a self assessment assignment is workable, and more helpful to our learning. | |
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Make-up quiz
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[ 西班牙之子 David Chou : 2002/12/20 上午 11:57:30] |
| This letter is in response to designing course self assessment sheet proposed by Agnes. I say that it is plausible. Self assessment helps us look back on our learning and look forward to what could be done for improvement. I rather take the assignment than have another quiz. I completely approve the advice. David. | |
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Group 5 and 6 presentation
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[ 西班牙之子 David Chou : 2002/12/20 上午 11:52:47] |
| For group 5, one presenter should explain how to assess while showing examples, not just clicking always. And try to avoid text reading. That will cause boredom. The comparison between JCEE and CEEC was informative. Last but not least, health counts most. I feel sorry to see Alice being sick. For group 6, they are good at offering lots of vocabulary testing categories. Really helpful, but the words are a bit too small for clear vision. Graphics on the powerpoint file were too distracting. The dancing girl graphic made me laugh and laugh, which nearly distracted my attention. David. | |
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comment on presentation of
group 5&6
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[ wendyfatty 張文俐 : 2002/12/20 上午 06:53:55] |
| Problems of time distribution happened again during their presentation, but it was just as well that both groups did appreciating jobs in defining and analyzing the materials. They are believed to be really hard working in preparing all those findings beforhand for the presentation. Besides, they made an admirable connection with what has been taught in class both in the first (intro. to methods) and in the second (critic on existing tests). This is a great example to demonstrate how can we put into practice those principles and techniques in language assessment. Group 7 and 8 are given two role models here to make betterment. However, when it comes to the technical part, there seems to still be great room for improvement. PPT files, I believe, had better be carefully designed, especially when there are links to be made to files in Word, to websites in the Internet or to any others that are necessary. Otherwise, the files turn out distracting factors and take the presenters more time to finish their jobs, even though they have a colorful and lovely design. Equal attention to both the literary and the technical parts is strongly recommended. | |
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presentation of group 3 and
4
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[ Crystal Liu 劉怡屏 : 2002/12/19 下午 11:31:09] |
| I think both of them did a wonderful job and I really enjoy it! However, I have a suggestion for Alice in group 3. The example of matching, I saw the items she provided on the right side belonged to the same group(the tense is the same). I think it would be better to provide sentences of different tenses or it would seem like testing reading comprehesion rather than grammar. Crystal | |
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presentation on Group 5 &6
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[ Alice 蘇筱芹 : 2002/12/19 下午 11:22:28] |
| I think both of the two groups did great jobs on their topics. For the group 5, they used what we have learned in class into their reports. That is nice because we review what we have learned and also used it into a practical way. Also I think they made a good critic on the text they have found in the JCEE. For the group 6, I think they introduced lots of interesting ways to assess students' vacularies which were very new and good. Also they made a critic on the testing ways as well. | |
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well...
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[ chelsea 魏巧媛 : 2002/12/19 下午 08:56:50] |
| hello! I just fool around here to recheck whether the message board system run okay or...I am so pleased because it seems that all the works are perfectly done so far! sweet dreams!! :> Chelsea | |
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the afterthought about group
presentation 1 and 2
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[ chelsea 魏巧媛 : 2002/12/19 下午 08:49:54] |
| hello!guys!I hope this time I will made it in leaving my message here since I have done it twice..anyway..god bless me!About the group presentations on group 1 and 2,I do think they all did very wonderful jobs!In terms of the width and the depth of the contents,I do appreciate that because I did learn a lot from them.I believe that they did spend lots of time preparing for it.More than that,their oral reports not only went fluently but also all to the points.The materials are also fresh and interesting to me. well, how can I say..you all are so terrific and intelligent! Chelsea | |
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reflection on presentation
of group 3 &. 4
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[ stupidroy 邱俊穎 : 2002/12/19 下午 08:35:16] |
| I think both group 3 and group 4 did a good job on their presentation. I am impressed a lot by the powerpoint of group 3. They made their topic clear by the properly used powerpoint. This part is better than what our group did. | |
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i know the problem here
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[ Lulu 邱雅雯 : 2002/12/19 上午 12:19:22] |
| I figure out that we can not write "can+not" in abreviation here or "I+am". The system here will not accept that. But can you fix that problem because that is really annoying and troublesome. Thanks! | |
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reflection of presentation
of griup 5 and 6
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[ Lulu 邱雅雯 : 2002/12/19 上午 12:15:46] |
| I think both of group 5 and 6 did a very good job to present their findings and related subjects of what we have learned in class. I appreciate their clear explainations of those terms like C-test, integrated test or discrete-point test. Also I like the way they designed their powerpoint; they made it so colorful and interesting. That way could attract audience attention very much. It is pity that group 6 did not have time to talk more about those activities they prepared in the last for i think those would be fun. | |
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reflection of presentation
of group 5 and 6
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[ Lulu 邱雅雯 : 2002/12/19 上午 12:11:11] |
| I try to leave a longer message here but it always
says "語法不正確". I do not understand understand what is wrong. |
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testing by Lulu
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[ Lulu 邱雅雯 : 2002/12/18 下午 11:44:56] |
| i hope i can sucessfully leave message this time...peace | |
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Hiya
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[ Lillian 廖家翎 : 2002/12/18 下午 06:09:16] |
| just come to leave a msg! ^^ Merry Christmas..... | |
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for group 3 and 4
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[ Marc 陳承祥 : 2002/12/17 下午 09:14:00] |
| these two groups are both well prepared. they both have the well time control, vivid visual aids and also offer the abundant content to the audience. for the third group, they chose TOFEL to be their critic topic and I believe that they must make much effort on this part. after all, TOFEL has a long history and is desgned carefelly.as for group four, though they just have three members, they still did a good job. by the way, I like their ppt. | |