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Wendy Chang

[ wendyfatty 張文俐 : 2002/12/17 下午 12:11:13]

The quiz is totally different from other tests I have ever had in the English Dept. We have to do fill-in-blanks, multiple choice, and true or faulse instead of essays. Thus, being unfamiliar with this kind of testing appears to be a main factor in our disappointing performance. To be more specific, take my case for example. I found that I easily got lost in reading the questions given. I had no idea at times about what answers was I supposed to make, especilly when I tried to fill in the blanks. This might result from my own problem that I didn”t completely understand all the texts. But, frankly, I had spent a lot of time on the study, though it was apparently of little help to my performance in the quiz. And this happened to others as well. When re-examining the items, however, they appeared not that difficult and tricky. This confirms my surmise that we were taking the test while we were also trying to adapt ourselves to its format. We elaborate our points in composing essays; whereas we think critically to find out specific answers in the quiz. That is, our scores are the cost of adaption being made. As for ways to make up, anything else is better than a make-up quiz, either in an essay format or in a similar style to the quiz. It is because there is great posibility that the disaster repeats. By contrast, the suggestion Christine made appears interesting and practicable. It is about a test evaluation on the quiz, since we are now learning about tips on how to make language assessment. It is the teacher”s alternative to make the final decision, but Christine”s suggestion is truly worth to take into consideration. The presentation on 12/4 is okay in general, though due to the sequence problem (they are the 1st groups to present), it has flaws in the selection of materials. More time for conference in advance is thus strongly recommended to the presentation really meet the requirments. Besides, time distribution is apparently a big problem, since it has to do with the completion and perfection of the whole presentation. Neither to go over the time limit nor to finish earlier is appropriate. The former ruins the clearness in stating points for some may be finished in a rush or even skipped, as in the 1st presentation. As for the latter, it easily results in incomplete accounts of the topic since there are two main parts in general to be elaborated. The 2nd group, for example, finished their presentation earlier, but the second part to make a critic on an existing test was almost omitted. Accordingly, the control over time is very important, and thus to include a time keeper in making the presentation is strongly recommended.

Wendy Chang

[ wendyfatty 張文俐 : 2002/12/17 下午 12:05:18]

"Anything else can be better than a make up quiz, either in an essay format or in a similar style to the quiz. This is because there is great posibility that the disaster repeats. By contrast, the suggestion Christine made appears interesting and practicable. It is about a test evaluation on the quiz, since we are now learning about tips on how to make language assessment. It is the teacher"s alternative to make the final decision, but Christine"s suggestion is truly worth to take into consideration." This is the suggestion I made when commenting on the quiz. But I keep failing to leave the entire message as a complete comment (on the quiz) due to some confusing but unknown technical problems. If there are still details in need, perhaps Christine herself can do the favor. But basically, the alternative of test evaluation on the quiz is simply a means to actually carrying out principles in language assessment. Besides, since the performance is dissatisfactory, the assignment gives the whole class a chance to find out what on earth went wrong

I am Jennifer	[ Jennifer 陳 : 2002/12/16 下午 02:35:20]
Just want to say that I laeve the message successfully~~~

Test by Jessica	[ 小P 戴薇珍 : 2002/12/16 下午 02:35:18]
Hello, everyone I am Jessica Dai. This is only a test. Bye...

Group 3 and 4 presentation

[ 西班牙之子 David Chou : 2002/12/16 上午 11:45:10]

I like the fact that group 3 provided a few grammar quiz web site for their presentation. This is convincing and shows that computer-aided teaching is promising. Organization and fluency are good too. Group 4 excelled in giving the class a clear description of how GEPT is administered in testing. In their powerpoint, I like the design, especially when pictures are relevant to the topic. This tells that use of media is not meant for distracting attention. It should be supportive. David.

Presentation 3 and 4

[ Christine Chen 陳儀 : 2002/12/14 下午 01:16:38]

Title:Presentation: Group 3&4 Well, I am in group 3 so I am going to talk about our presentation first. We have divided the presentation into two parts and each took about 20 minutes. We had a trial presentation before hand so the time control was ok. It has been fun researching on the alternative assessment for assessing grammar because we could not think of any at the beginning. I was surprised that we were able to find out so many interesting methods both on the net and from the books from the library. Anyway, the TOEFL test evaluation was pretty hard because we tried quite hard to find the errors in the questions. It has been a great experience working with the group members. As for group 4 presentation. I think they did a great job in both the content and the layout. Even though they only had three people, the overall presentation was excellent. I like the cute powerpoint slides but maybe less animation will be better for more serious effect. It is interesting that so far all the groups have chosen standardized tests to evaluate. I am looking forward to seeing something different~

no idea	[ Marc 陳承祥 : 2002/12/13 上午 08:28:41]
hello, I am Marc, hope you guys will love me...

comment on the presentation on 12/11

[ wendyfatty 張文俐 : 2002/12/13 上午 07:19:03]

Generally, they have better control over the time, which is really good. But in terms of contents, I think it will be better to focus more on the critic, since this is an access to better understanding of language assessment in reality. And it is recommended that the 2nd group can be more specific in selecting the materials to be criticized, though their ppt is really lovely and stimulating. In another way, ppt made by group1 appears more formal, which I think is more suitable for some formal occassion. Besides, technical problem remains to make obstacles to a smooth progress. This is really a pity. Hope that the following groups can successfully rid themselves of the plight.

comment on the presentation

[ wendyfatty 張文俐 : 2002/12/13 上午 07:09:42]

The presentation on 12/4 is okay in general, though due to the sequence problem (they are the 1st groups to present), it has flaws in the selection of materials. More time for conference in advance is thus strongly recommended to the presentation really meet the requirments. Besides, time distribution is apparently a big problem, since it has to do with the completion and perfection of the whole presentation. Neither to go over the time limit nor to finish earlier is appropriate. The former ruins the clearness in stating points for some may be finished in a rush or even skipped, as in the 1st presentation. As for the latter, it easily results in incomplete accounts of the topic since there are two main parts in general to be elaborated. The 2nd group, for example, finished their presentation earlier, but the second part to make a critic on an existing test was almost omitted. Accordingly, the control over time is very important, and thus to include a time keeper in making the presentation is strongly recommended.

evaluation of group 3 n 4

[ dark james james : 2002/12/12 下午 09:55:01]

first of all, they are all really good at time-controlling, which our group failed to. second,group 4 is informative for they seemed to make their presentation as understandable as possible by adressing appropriate volume and rate, which should be the most important element in a presentation. third, Anns presentation is quite interesting for she used a lot of special but weird sounds to catch our eyes, which is really creative in my opinion. fourth, both groups did a good job in making their powerpoint for they are all clear. fifth, i enjoyed seeing their findings, especially the tofel one. sixth, finally i found that it is so hard to write without any contractions and it is even more stupid to try to do so. peace.

Reflection of 2 presentations	[ Rachel 謝育儒 : 2002/12/12 下午 12:47:56]
Hello guys First, I want to thank the two groups who did a great job yesterday. Thanks for giving us so wonderful presentation. I really appreciate your effort to prepare lots of information and material,especially one group even demonstrated the CBT-TOEFL for us. Thanks.

i agree with mandy	[ Janet Janet Wu : 2002/12/11 下午 10:54:48]
this system does not accept 縮寫...... my goodness~~~~

comments for group 1&2

[ Janet Janet Wu : 2002/12/11 下午 10:53:06]

hi, this is janet^^ for both groups: i think you guys are really well prepared. how can you guys find so many samples for the presentstion! for group 1: your presentation contained many things but i think some things were repeated during the presentation. i think maybe thta is why it took longer for you guys to finish your presentation^^ and i think the idea that showing all the classmates the tests is good but it may not be necessary for all the classmates to do the test themselves^^ for group 2: it is really a pity that you guys had to cut off some part of your presentaion in order to fit the time limit.... i think our presentation were well structured and included the largest details you can. i admired you guys^^ it seems like your presentaion are like a review class for writing assessment^^ thanks ~

comments for group 1&2

[ Janet Janet Wu : 2002/12/11 下午 10:53:04]

about the quiz

[ Jenny Jenny Chiang : 2002/12/11 下午 06:53:24]

Yah! Since I succeeded this time, let me say something about the quiz. (Actually, I have left this message here several times, but I just could not send it successfully.) In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the quiz. Each question has been mentioned in class, and only two or three questions are a little bit harder which we needed to think before answering them. Therefore, I think the quiz is good even though we students did not do it well. Personally, I found that this quiz was the last midterm exam for me, and before that, I already had around ten exams. I felt very tired so I was not able to prepare for it very well. That was the only problem I had about the quiz. In a word, the quiz itself is valid and reliable. Jenny

test	[ Jenny Jenny Chiang : 2002/12/11 下午 06:41:11]
This is the...time (I do not remember how many times I have tried to leave messages here.) Hopefully, this time I can make it. Jenny

Tiny Discovery

[ CR_Chung 鍾萱 Cristina : 2002/12/11 下午 05:35:32]

So far from the 4 group presentations, I have discovered the general principles are pretty much the same! For instance, when assessing, try to focus on reliability, validity, clear in instruction, and so on. Though different group claimed to assess different aspects, similar testing ways were repeated several times. For example, fill in the blanks, portfolio, using pictures, dictocom…. and so. Well, I’m trying to say is that…listening, speaking, writing, grammar, are closely related when comes to fairly assessing students’ level.

Big Applause!

[ CR_Chung 鍾萱 Cristina : 2002/12/11 下午 05:15:48]

I enjoy both presentations pretty much! I see improvements compared to first and two presentations. Today, the two groups had very detailed descriptions and helpful examples. Especially in the first group, one of the group members provided much information about alternative methods, such as on line, portfolio, and evaluation that I somehow failed to precisely introduce in the last presentation. So I feel very appreciated that the group did a good job!

OH MY GOODNESS....	[ mandy_groovy 羅敏 : 2002/12/11 下午 05:01:42]
After tring at least 20 times, this message board finally accept my message! now i know what is wrong. It hates 縮寫``..and do not accept it, so hope you guys will not make the same mistake!!

evaluation of group 1 and 2

[ mandy_groovy 羅敏 : 2002/12/11 下午 04:57:16]

I think both presentations are pretty good. I can see the group members spent lots of time and energy preparing for your presentations. I like the style of group 2 very much. I think they explained the technique of assessing writing in a clear and organized way. And I got the important ideas of assessing writing from their power point and explanation. Too bad you guys did not get the equal time as group 1. If you did, I think you guys could did a better job in evaluate an existing test. Group 1 did a good job as well. I think it is very cool that you guys could provide real audio examples of a listening test. I think you guys helped us to have a taste of the real assessment situation out there in the real world. Also, how can you guys find so much information and details? You would make rest of us who have not done the presentation look bad, and make our job harder as well. However, I think you guys provided and explained too many details sometimes, so your presentation was kind of too long. This is the only part need to be improved. ^___^

test evaluation	[ 袁韻璧袁韻璧 : 2002/12/11 上午 09:29:18]
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comment on quiz	[ dark james james : 2002/12/10 下午 11:01:50]
actually i think the quiz we had taken was quite fair and i have no intention of having another quiz for there are really a lot of things 2 do near the end of this semester. peace.

Excellent presentations^^

[ Jessie Chang 張嘉文 : 2002/12/6 下午 01:15:41]

I was so impressed with the various materials that the groups used during their presentation hour. Especially for the part of tape, it seems that we are really taking the GEPT exam. Also, they give us some clear examples that are very good for the audience to comprehend this assessment. In addition, analyzing the weakness and advantage of this assessment can provide the potential teachers (among our classmates) a chance to consider if this kind of assesment is appropriate to use. They really do a good job! Jessie Chang

Test evaluation on writing	[ 西班牙之子 David Chou : 2002/12/6 上午 11:45:37]
I think our group failed to give real example for exhibition on portfolio. This weak part might not be convincing enough to the audience. For other groups, you should keep this in mind. David

About the Presentation

[ CR_Chung 鍾萱 Cristina : 2002/12/6 上午 10:03:18]

Well, I think the two groups did a good job in terms of being the first presenters…Still, I think there were parts that could be improved, such as the content organization, the delivery skill, and time controlling issue. (Just suggestions, do not be offended~! ^_^") And I somehow felt many people lost their patient in listening during the second period, so it would be a good idea to take a break in between. (If possible!!!)…Also, I want to know when would be the best time to ask question? It seems there is no time left for the Q&A… After all, thanks for the kind words from Kevin, Miranda, and others…I hope you all can do well in the presentations!

A Question	[ CR_Chung 鍾萱 Cristina : 2002/12/6 上午 09:35:48]
I am curious whether the error count method is derived from the objective scoring? The two methods seem to share some similarities...For instance, the two both failed to count the content as a whole, and both overlooked that one mistake might be more serious than another... What do you think?

Evaluation from Kevin

[ Kevin Chiang 蔣燿煒 : 2002/12/5 下午 10:58:33]

Well, I think two groups are really good in test evaluation. However, I felt a little bit depressed because of the first group. I do not mean they did a bad job. The problem is that I failed two listening questions. ( <+-+>"" the picture means stupid) Ok,these words are meaningless. In fact, they did a good job because of their abundant information and the way of presenting information. However, the only problem may be the time controlling. I think this is a dilemma, because there are so many things to present in a short time. This may become the problem of the folllowing groups, too. Finally, I want to confess that these two groups really give me a great pressure in my presentation. However, I still have to say thank you for your impressing presentations, since they are the good model for the following groups. Kevin^-^(finally, I have to smile.)

This is Alice Juan--about presentation	[ alicewing 阮雅雲 : 2002/12/5 下午 12:56:40]
I think the presentations of two groups are great that they provide the clear methods of listening and writing. In listening, I wonder if only the direction of GEPT is good what is the function of the test items. It is really hard to make the test items to test the comprehension.

another stuff	[ dark james james : 2002/12/5 上午 12:34:53]
by the way, i thought i left one message in the wrong place, sorry 4 my stupidity. peace.

about our test evaluation	[ dark james james : 2002/12/5 上午 12:32:38]
well...actually our presentation today was really limited by time restriction. but i just wanna say all of our group members did a really great job in preparing information to share. maybe our presentation was not the best, but at least in my opinion we did try hard. peace.

Impressive presentations!	[ Miranda Miranda Kuo : 2002/12/4 下午 03:20:24]
Thanks to group 1 and 2 for their presentations. They must have been very hard-working preparing for it. I appreciate the idea of showing the sample questions of GEPT; playing the tape of listening assessment also made the presentation more interesting and helped us to have a better understanding of GEPT. Miranda Kuo

here comes my message!	[ chelsea 魏巧媛 : 2002/11/30 下午 03:21:52]
Hey!guys! Good luck for the following presentations on test evaluations! Truly, Chelsea

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